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Post by phoenixceliac on May 27, 2016 2:52:04 GMT
Feo and others who do enemas, what coffees have you used? I had a colonic today and was offered an enema mid-way through using a light roast. I decided to go for it even though I've only used medium or dark roast before when doing my enemas at home. The light has more caffeine from what I've read, and that didn't bother me. What I noticed on the drive home, though, was my mind went to an emotional place. I found myself feeling sad about some broken relationships. Normally, I don't think about that particular subject unless it's close to bedtime when I'm tired and my defenses are down. So it was odd that it happened earlier in the day. I don't know if the different coffee had a more powerful effect on me or not.
After getting home, I reread what Larry Wilson says about coffee he recommends, and he doesn't recommend the light roast. Gerson does. I wouldn't mind using the light on a regular basis but not sure if it would be wise. Or I could use it half the time. I find a lot of what Wilson says about things in general to be confusing. The whole "yin" thing baffles me. He's very adamant on so many topics. But how to know if he's always right???
Advice, anyone?
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Post by feo1966 on May 27, 2016 19:03:55 GMT
Feo and others who do enemas, what coffees have you used? I had a colonic today and was offered an enema mid-way through using a light roast. I decided to go for it even though I've only used medium or dark roast before when doing my enemas at home. The light has more caffeine from what I've read, and that didn't bother me. What I noticed on the drive home, though, was my mind went to an emotional place. I found myself feeling sad about some broken relationships. Normally, I don't think about that particular subject unless it's close to bedtime when I'm tired and my defenses are down. So it was odd that it happened earlier in the day. I don't know if the different coffee had a more powerful effect on me or not. After getting home, I reread what Larry Wilson says about coffee he recommends, and he doesn't recommend the light roast. Gerson does. I wouldn't mind using the light on a regular basis but not sure if it would be wise. Or I could use it half the time. I find a lot of what Wilson says about things in general to be confusing. The whole "yin" thing baffles me. He's very adamant on so many topics. But how to know if he's always right??? Advice, anyone? Hi.... I am pretty sure Dr Larry Wilson is not right on everything. No one is. To be honest, a lot of the stuff outside of Dr. Eck's work is not explained in a scientific manner. I've had good luck with both light and dark coffee. So has my wife. I've not noticed any difference. They both seem effective at stimulating the liver
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Post by phoenixceliac on May 27, 2016 20:31:16 GMT
I agree that no one is right all the time. And, you are correct in that having things explained scientifically helps. For me it's challenging to know how strictly to adhere to his advice and where there is room to disagree. I think the nature of my health challenges makes me not want to veer too far off for fear of "upsetting the program." And for most of those who do NB, that seems normal, at least in the FB group. We each want to get well! Thanks for your response, Feo.
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Post by feo1966 on May 27, 2016 21:08:40 GMT
I agree that no one is right all the time. And, you are correct in that having things explained scientifically helps. For me it's challenging to know how strictly to adhere to his advice and where there is room to disagree. I think the nature of my health challenges makes me not want to veer too far off for fear of "upsetting the program." And for most of those who do NB, that seems normal, at least in the FB group. We each want to get well! Thanks for your response, Feo. I know, people on the program remind of Stepford Wifes ..... only it's Stepford Clients. People rarely even talk about problems or doubts they have There are a couple of reasons for this, I believe: 1. People want to believe that the program they are on is "the answer", and has no faults. It is no different that vegetarians, or people on Atkins diets. It is a lot less effort to stop questioning, and just go along for the ride. It is time consuming and energy consuming to be exposed to questions about what you prefer to believe. The problem with that, is that you give up control of your health to someone else. As an example, I am convinced he is dead wrong on the need for Vitamin K. There was a discussion on FB recently. One of the women noted that after 3 years on the program, she almost bled to death while giving birth. An inability to clot is a Vitamin K problem. She has started Vitamin K, and has noticed other improvements since starting it. Vitamin K also help remove calcium where it shouldn't be and deposit it where it should be, which would seem helpful considering poor utilization of Calcium is common for pretty much everyone on the program. There is no doubt that he added some value to Dr.Eck's work. Coffee Enemas are a great help. But he can't be right about everything. 2. Larry Wilson doesn't like dissent. For someone who likes libertarians like Ron Paul, Dr.Wilson certainly doesn't mind control when he is the one wielding it. The revised Find a Practitioner page states the following: "Clients may not be members of nutritional balancing Facebook groups"drlwilson.com/do%20hair%20analysis.htmGive me a break! Literally trying to control where you get information from. So his practitioners tend to "toe the line", or they'll be removed from his page. And the commission structure also discourages any variation from the program. I am about to switch to someone who consults on a time basis and is more open to new information and changes. I'll pay her for her time ... but no commission on supplements.
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Post by leona on May 28, 2016 0:49:27 GMT
Feo and others who do enemas, what coffees have you used? I had a colonic today and was offered an enema mid-way through using a light roast. I decided to go for it even though I've only used medium or dark roast before when doing my enemas at home. The light has more caffeine from what I've read, and that didn't bother me. What I noticed on the drive home, though, was my mind went to an emotional place. I found myself feeling sad about some broken relationships. Normally, I don't think about that particular subject unless it's close to bedtime when I'm tired and my defenses are down. So it was odd that it happened earlier in the day. I don't know if the different coffee had a more powerful effect on me or not.
After getting home, I reread what Larry Wilson says about coffee he recommends, and he doesn't recommend the light roast. Gerson does. I wouldn't mind using the light on a regular basis but not sure if it would be wise. Or I could use it half the time. I find a lot of what Wilson says about things in general to be confusing. The whole "yin" thing baffles me. He's very adamant on so many topics. But how to know if he's always right???
Advice, anyone?
Hi Phoenixceliac, I too have tried light, medium and dark roasts, all seem to have the same effect. I’ve been sticking with a medium roast simmering 12 minutes to follow the program. The thing I notice most about the coffee enemas is that it takes me from my usual sympathetic state to a parasympathic one, really has a calming effect when I do them in the morning. Strangely though one done at night keeps me from sleeping, recently I tried 1/2 the amount of coffee, 1 tbsp for 2 cups water and still got a calming effect and I was able to sleep.
Possibly what you experienced feeling more emotional was a “healing of sorts”, a good thing, not something that would happen every time using a different roast? I like to try things clinically, if after a couple of tries that’s what happens for me then that’s normal for me, "my experience" when I take something if you know what I mean. I’ve only been doing the nutritional balancing for less than a year but have tried lots of things before this. I’m generally one who prefers to “customize” but I’m working to follow the program. I’m in a 4 lows pattern. (Not sure if I've posted correctly linking, my first post)
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Post by leona on May 28, 2016 1:06:56 GMT
(Not sure if I've posted correctly linking, my first post) Just found the "help" button on the main banner for tips on how to post and link.
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Post by phoenixceliac on May 28, 2016 1:10:45 GMT
Thank you, Feo and Leona, for your comments. I'll respond to yours first, Feo. I agree with both your points. Part of the compliance is because most of us have tried other things to get well so we are now "putting our eggs in a new basket," so to speak. It takes a lot of time and energy to do the program, and not much is left for questioning, checking other modalities, etc. Overall, it really is an excellent program. I've seen good results so I'm sold on it. However, Dr. Wilson adds a lot of minutiae, in my opinion. And he does come across as if it must be done a certain way. I followed the thread about Vit. K and now believe that most of us likely need it. Do you think we need to be tested annually to make sure we aren't getting too much if we decide to add it?
Do you know the back story on his statement about FB groups? I don't want to go into it here, but I'd be glad to respond to an email if you want to know why he's added that. Your plan of consulting with someone who consults on a time basis sounds smart. There are some really good practitioners out there, at least one that I know of who is no longer working under Wilson.
Leona, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not sure if the effect of the light roast was an anomaly, either. My liver has really been congested with copper from the first test and seems to continue to struggle. The higher caffeine might be good for a while. And, yes, I've had other powerful emotions, some negative and some positive. They usually occur while I'm retaining coffee during my a.m. enemas. This was different because it happened afterwards. You are newer to the program than I am, but you will see some good changes. Four lows can be a struggle from what I read. I've never had it but could at some point. People often seem to end up there temporarily as part of their healing journey.
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Post by feo1966 on May 28, 2016 6:03:18 GMT
Do you think we need to be tested annually to make sure we aren't getting too much if we decide to add it? My hunch is no. There was a Japanese study that used massive amounts of K2 to reverse oseoporosis. They noted no problems even at massive doses, except for people on blood thinners. Quote:"The contraindication of menatetrenone is warfarin use, because vitamin K set off the anticoagulant effect of warfarin. Apart from this contraindication, menatetrenone (vitamin K2) does not cause any serious side effects regardless of its dose " www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042573/Because of the timing, my guess was that is was because of the recent news of Facebooks liberal bias? Is that correct? I agree that it's a good program overall. No question. But no program is perfect. I am a tad jaded at the moment due to my wife's breast cancer and her last mammogram showing her breast were completely full of calcium. In 2013, I specifically told our P that I was concerned about taking that much Paramin without Vitamin K given the latest research. She actually got mad at me for even suggesting a change to the program. i.e....just shut up and follow the program. In addition to the cancer, my wifes joints are WAY worse. She is in constant pain. I know it is calcium, since it improves when she takes magnesium oil. But she can't take too much magnesium since it lowers sodium and creates an adrenal crash. So I am really feeling guilty for not listening to my gut and adding K2. And our P was always going on about how great Endo-Met supplements were. I knew the commission on the supplements were the reason for her statements. There were a few other things getting on my nerves about our P. But that was really our P, and not the program. But I have heard other people mention on curezone that their P's became angry or dropped them for taking other supplements instead of Endo-Met. Sorry for the rant. I do plan on starting the program again. But I will read Rick Malter's book and Larry Wilson's book and be very proactive in picking supplements. I won't be blindly following any P's advice again.
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Post by phoenixceliac on May 28, 2016 16:32:38 GMT
His comment about FB has nothing to do with the liberal bias. There is no need to go into the details here so I won't.
And I appreciate your concerns and totally get them. Bottom line, we do all have to be our own health advocate.
What lab do you plan on using? I'm biased toward ARL for a lot of reasons. I live in Phoenix and have personal interaction with them. I live close enough that I actually pick up my supplements so it's given me a chance to get to know some of the people there. On first starting NB, I did hair tests directly with the lab and Doug Eck, one of Dr. Eck's sons, consulted with me. A great guy and was so helpful in assisting me understand this whole different way of being tested, interpreting tests, etc. At some point I needed a P, and mine pushed me toward CE's which I really needed. My P has never treated me the way yours did. I'm sorry for your experience, and it's a lesson to all of us that questioning things shouldn't cause a personal, negative reaction from the P.
I do recommend reading Wilson's book...that helped me a lot to understand things better. Lots of examples of clients, and that was extremely helpful.
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Post by feo1966 on May 28, 2016 17:50:03 GMT
I live in Phoenix and have personal interaction with them. Wow....that's so cool you live close. I've taken hair analysis from both labs at the same time, and got the exact same results. So I think TEI is just as accurate in the results. But I kind of like the ARL report. Maybe because I am used to it. I actually had a TEI practitioner tell me that she believed the ARL/Endomet supplements are stronger. But she can't bring herself to work with you know who. So I'll probably stick with EndoMet as well. For now, I just want to see what happens to my HTMA when I just do meditation, breathing exercises and some energy work.
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Post by phoenixceliac on May 28, 2016 19:39:34 GMT
Yes, it is cool! The P you referenced can work directly with ARL. Wilson recently dismissed a P, and she now works directly with them.
I haven't had experience with other supplements except for buying TMG, kelp, Vit. D, through other sources. The EndoMet ones are powerful!! At first I didn't realize that since I was so ill. I just took them because I was supposed to. Now that I've dumped a lot of junk, I notice more of a difference when I take them.
Do you go to bed early? From my experience, that really helps. I'm usually in bed by 9 at the latest. On nights that I feel lousy, I go to bed shortly after 8.
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Post by feo1966 on May 28, 2016 23:41:06 GMT
It's interesting that you ask that. I started charting again, and noticed that on nights I don't turn off the lights by 10pm, I often have insomnia. See the attachment When I started NB back in mid-2012, I stopped charting. I just blindly followed my P's advice. After 8 years of trying to be my own doctor, I was sort of glad to just relax. But that was a mistake. Anywhooo, I did start charting again. I keep track of things I should be doing, as reminders. Such as how many times did I meditate each day. Did I drink enough water. Did I avoid playing on-line chess (stressor and stimulant). I also keep track of symptoms, so I can make connections. For example, I noticed after I stopped playing online chess, my startle reflex started to calm down. Competition, even chess, stimulates the sympathetic nervous system. So yes, I do need to do a better job not fighting my sleep. I really should know better. But us Type-A's love stimulation, so I really need to force myself Attachments:
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Post by phoenixceliac on May 29, 2016 3:23:34 GMT
I don't know how to read your chart. Please interpret it for me. I read an article recently that being in front of a screen prior to bedtime is too stimulating. If we want to read, it should be a book not on a device. Computers, laptops, etc., are too stimulating. Makes sense. And the hours before midnight are more restorative than the hours after. I find that to be true.
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Post by adrenalhealing on Sept 18, 2016 2:12:22 GMT
You could try a blue light software filter for your computer. That should help with the screen induced insomnia alot.
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Post by adrenalhope on Sept 18, 2016 5:08:27 GMT
Wow, I can't believe I missed this thread that started way back in May. There's so much to take in here.
1. Feo, I'm so sorry about your wife's cancer. Is she doing okay? If you have any resources on Vitamin K, let me know. This is the first I've heard of it in relation to AF, so I'd like to hear about dosage and what benefits people are having.
2. Adrenalhealing, can you tell any difference in your computer screen with the blue light filter? Does the screen look the same? I really need help with computer usage at night too.
I think you are right about the sleep schedule. I've heard a few different sources mention this, including Dr. Lam and Dr. L Wilson. I had pretty much given up on this for a long time, since I felt like it was a Catch-22 (like I needed to sleep early to heal, but I also needed to heal first in order to sleep early). I'm going to double my efforts on this and try to report back in a few weeks.
3. Phoenix, send me a PM about the NB situation if you don't mind. I might get back on NB next year, and I think my P was removed. I'd like to know exactly what went down with FB.
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