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Post by adrenalhope on May 24, 2016 3:16:57 GMT
I've seen some holistic doctors and others claiming that adrenal fatigue is not real because the glands are not really damaged. They say the problem is the dysregulation of the HPA Axis (the communication between the hypothalamus, pituitary, and adrenal glands), so the glands are under-performing but not incapable as in Addison's Disease.
What do you think?
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Post by feo1966 on May 24, 2016 11:00:00 GMT
I've seen some holistic doctors and others claiming that adrenal fatigue is not real because the glands are not really damaged. They say the problem is the dysregulation of the HPA Axis (the communication between the hypothalamus, pituitary, and adrenal glands), so the glands are under-performing but not incapable as in Addison's Disease. What do you think? Have you heard of the work of Dr Hans Selye? He is the one that tested rats and other rodents by exposing them to various types of stress. He called it the General Adaptation Syndrome. He documented actual physically adrenal changed to the adrenal glands. This article talks about the General Adaptation Syndrome www.adrenaladvice.com/is-adrenal-fatigue-real.shtmlI'm about 75% done the following article, which compare adrenal fatigue to adrenal insufficiency. Right up to the "Diagnosis" section is complete.....still working on the rest www.adrenaladvice.com/adrenal-fatigue-vs-adrenal-insufficiency.shtmlThink of it this way. If your adrenal glands were a report guard...... Adrenal Fatigue =D Adrenal Insufficiency = F Except the conventional medicine test only tells you if you pass or fail. If you get a "D", they say you are fine. But it does show up on saliva tests. People with adrenal fatigue have low saliva cortisol, low progesterone. They are exhausted, but just not bad enough to register on the criteria for adrenal insufficiency |
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Post by adrenalhope on May 27, 2016 5:55:03 GMT
Thanks Feo. This is what I have suspected, since it just makes sense with severe symptoms. I haven't read Han Selye's work yet, but I had heard the name.
I've seen a few sources describing CFS as due in part to an HPA Axis problem. I guess that would still be a significant condition, especially if you think of it as a mild brain injury in the hypothalamus or some similar location. Even so, I feels like it downplays the illness if it denies adrenal damage or shrinkage.
By the way, does Selye describe it as shrinkage of the glands?
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Post by feo1966 on May 27, 2016 18:34:24 GMT
Thanks Feo. This is what I have suspected, since it just makes sense with severe symptoms. I haven't read Han Selye's work yet, but I had heard the name. I've seen a few sources describing CFS as due in part to an HPA Axis problem. I guess that would still be a significant condition, especially if you think of it as a mild brain injury in the hypothalamus or some similar location. Even so, I feels like it downplays the illness if it denies adrenal damage or shrinkage. By the way, does Selye describe it as shrinkage of the glands? I have found plenty of evidence that chronic stress leads to enlarged adrenal glands. Even for research outside of Hans Selye. I have read all of Hans Selyes work, but the following is from his book "The stress of life": there is some evidence of pituitary fatigue as well. The problem with the name adrenal fatigue is that is puts the focus on the result... and not the cause. |
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Post by adrenalhope on May 29, 2016 21:20:30 GMT
Interesting. That's the opposite of what I thought, but I guess it makes sense. There are various diseases that result in enlargement of other organs (liver disease, congestive heart failure, etc.). So it seems that the adrenals become less efficient as they become enlarged.
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Post by feo1966 on May 29, 2016 23:25:21 GMT
Interesting. That's the opposite of what I thought, but I guess it makes sense. There are various diseases that result in enlargement of other organs (liver disease, congestive heart failure, etc.). So it seems that the adrenals become less efficient as they become enlarged. Ah...it's during Stage 2 when they become enlarged. They have adapted to a high level of stress. People don't feel bad during Stage 2. In fact, you are pumping out a high level of hormones at that point. People can handle a LOT of stress during stage 2. Stage 2 is when you were wired, Type-A, but had lots of energy, could work long hours, etc. It Stage 3 when the adrenal can no longer keep up. At this point, you are still wired (sympathetic dominant), but your adrenals can not longer keep up. |
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Post by ladylisa60 on Jul 6, 2016 1:32:02 GMT
Hi, I am new but I had to respond to this post.
I have alot of health problems so that would take forever but I see the head of endocrinology at Jefferson hospital in Philly pa. I drive 2 hrs there every 5-6 months. I have been for six years. I have been feeling really bad for about a year and half. None of my entourage of doctors wanted to even talk about whyI felt so bad. So I started looking the Internet over. I came across adrenal fatigue and it had all my symptoms ect so I looked up causes and found a few there as well. One of the big ones was me getting steroid shots for both my shoulders every other month ( that's ALOT). So when I went to Philly last time about 2 months ago I talked to him about it and he said wow no wonder you feel bad. My thyroid levels were ok my a1c was a little high but not bad.
He listened to me and agreed with me and gave me time frames for even the steroids finally leaving my body. And was very nice and gave me alot of info. That man at first freaked out saying heck yeah adrenal fatigue is real and a problem. It really made me feel better about my choice to follow up on taking care of myself along the lines of AFS.
This guy is wonderful and saved my life 6 years ago. Literaly.
I guess I am lucky to find him on alot of fronts.
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